Dave Wallace (DW): So, Marvel Apes – you’re serious? How did this idea come about? If I remember rightly, the title of “Marvel Apes” was suggested by a fan at a convention, around the time that the Marvel Zombies craze was at its height. Was that the catalyst for the idea?

Ramon Bach (RB): As far as I know, yes, it was like that. And the fans will be now scratching their heads deciding what new idea they will suggest in a convention! HAHA!

DW: Marvel Zombies launched out of the Marvel Zombie universe’s initial appearance in Mark Millar’s first arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four – but as far as I know, there isn’t an established Marvel Ape Universe. Does this lack of any previous baggage make it easier to write the series, or is it intimidating to have to come up with a whole new concept, and ape versions of Marvel characters?

RB:It has been very easy to create simian versions of the Marvel characters, and sometimes even the characters’ names indicate which simian species I should use. For example, Spider-Man as a Spider-Monkey.

DW: Has it been fun to come up with the Ape character designs? Which characters lend themselves best to the concept?

RB: I’m having a lot of fun with this mini-series because it allows me to exaggerate things I haven’t been able to do in other books. My preferred character is Ape-X, a gorilla with a Mexican wrestler mask.

DW: What are the chances of seeing an appearance from the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes?

RB: Very good chance, but shhh, it’s a surprise!

DW: Marvel Zombies got a lot of mileage out of its dark tone and sick humour – what kind of tone can we expect from Marvel Apes?

RB:I like to think of the series’ tone as comedic, without losing that classic adventure vibe that’s a part of the Marvel universe. There will be enough space for drama and comedy existing together as a whole.

DW: How long before we get to see a character say “Get your hands off me, you damn dirty ape!” (or alternatively, “They blew it up!”)…?

RB:Hahahaha. Who knows? But in my case, Planet of the Apes is my main visual reference for this book, and I’m pretty sure all the fans will have those great quotes on their minds…

Marvel Apes version of Bullseye

Marvel Apes version of DareDevil

Marvel Apes version of Jonah Jameson

Marvel Apes version of Wolverine

Newsarama: “Marvel Apes” is something that’s been mentioned at convention panels for a while. How did you get attached?

Karl Kesel: A call from Steve Wacker was all it took. For some strange reason, he (and, I believe, Joe Quesada) thought I was the perfect choice for a story about super-powered, intelligent apes. And for some even stranger reason, I agreed!

NRAMA: From a writer’s perspective, how do you dig in to a project like this? The very title suggests some Silver Agey humor, but I’m guessing no one would this strictly for the sake of a gag. What’s your process like here?

KK: Of course, the first things that come to your mind are the jokes and bad puns— Spider-MONKEY is a hero in MONKhattan in the United SIMIANS of America. It’s a Cocktail Party Idea— one you can toss around funny one-liners about with your friends as you sip drinks (in this case: banana daiquiris). But to have a STORY you need more than jokes. You need conflict, you need characters readers can admire and root for, and you need something real at stake. That’s when you start looking past the banana peels and asking yourself: Okay, how does this society really work? What’s important to these characters? For all its similarity to the mainstream Marvel Universe, how is it different? Once you figure that out, the story almost writes itself.

NRAMA: We know that you’re a Kirby fan (really, who isn’t?), and Kirby had truck with blends of humans and animals in a lot of his work. Did any of that inform your approach?

KK: Yes and no. The story does begin with a cameo from the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes— how could it not, really?– but after that I can’t say I had, say, Kirby’s Kamandi or High Evolutionary in the back of my head as a guiding light. The story really did have its own life, its own tone, and I just tried to get that down on paper. On the other hand, we do introduce a new character— Ape X (and yes: I know there’s an old Marvel character with that name, but this one has nothing to do with that one)— and Ape X is very Kiirby-inspired. He’s a super-strong gorilla wearing a magic Mexican wrestling mask— one of those destroy-a-city-block brawlers that Jack constantly created. And Ramon draws him perfectly— all muscle and mass.

NRAMA: Comic fans seem to have a cluster of perennial fascinations that include zombies, ninjas, robots, pirates, and monkeys. After first acknowledging that an ape and monkey are two different things, what, in your estimation, is the appeal of blending super-powers and primates?

KK: The thing about monkeys and apes is that they look like us, but they’re not us. So you put them in clothes and they look funny. But it’s more than that because monkeys-in-clothes (or apes-in-capes, in this case) allow people to laugh at themselves without really laughing at themselves. You don’t laugh at a monkey dressed as George W. Bush because he’s doing the same stupid things the real Bush does— no no no. You’re laughing at him because a monkey dressed as George W. Bush looks FUNNY! (At least, that’s what we tell ourselves.) And there’s a touch of that “court jester” comedy/commentary in this story, too. You almost can’t avoid it.

NRAMA: When you, Ramon and Steve discuss the look of the story, do you veer toward realism or a more cartoony take?

KK: The world itself is approached very logically and realistically, within the concept’s limits. For instance, we tried to image what Monkhattan would look like if it had been built by a simian society. Now, it still had to look like Manhattan— we wanted the readers to be able to identify it instantly— but it had to be different, too. Of course, that’s easy to SAY— but Ramon did a brilliant job in bringing it to life. The characters, at their core, are also treated very seriously— although the tone of the story often allows Ramon to be a bit more cartoony than he would be on other jobs. Which is fine, because those bright moments only make the dark ones even darker by comparison.

NRAMA: Bigger influence on the story? “Planet of the Apes” or “Lancelot Link: Secret Chimp”?

KK: Lancelot Link, definitely (I didn’t think anyone but me even remembered that show!), followed by a healthy dose of Planet of the Apes (the original), with a dash of the monkeys from the start of 28 Days Later mixed in. Seriously.

NRAMA: Anything that you can tell us about the plot? Will it mirror recent Marvel events in any way?

KK: Actually, quite the opposite. I’m certain once Marvel Apes comes out that the rest of the Marvel Universe will start copying (or “aping”) us!

As for the plot, all I really need to say is that the hero of our story is the one-and-only, ever-grinnin’ GIBBON! Move over, Wolverine! I’m certain the fans are already lining up outside their local comics shop…

Seriously— the Gibbon wasn’t the perfect choice just because he’s a mainstream Marvel character who can easily “pass” in an ape-filled monkeyverse, but because he’s such a lovable loser. Nothing ever goes right for him— he never gets a break, the girl, or the glory— and suddenly he finds the fate of an entire universe in his hands. In some ways, Marvel Apes is a sprawling epic like Lord of the Rings, and the Gibbon is our Frodo— one small person dwarfed by the overwhelming forces that stand between him and his goal. He even has his own Samwise— a spunky gal-scientist (human) named Fiona Fitzhugh who literally gets sucked into this adventure along with him. As for a Gollum— well, you’ll just have to read the mini-series and see for yourself!